I suppose it was to be expected that, while being here on my former home turf and getting caught up with old friends, I'd occasionally entertain the thought of settling down. Not necessarily hanging up the Chinook, mind you, but planting myself somewhere more or less permanently, and as plants have been known to do, set down some roots.
The lack of the kind of deep social intimacy that often typifies the mobile lifestyle is, after all, difficult to ignore, and while I have made great strides towards dealing with it, I still can't deny that it is one of the few (possibly the only) lingering rubs to living the way I do.
Spending greater lengths of time in one place has helped me to form relationships that run deeper than, say, a typical week-long stay permits, and also dropping in on family and friends when I'm passing through is another big help in satisfying the need for interaction that goes beyond the usual "so where are you from?" or "what sort of work do you do?" exchanges.
And there's always the telephone, video chat, email, and this blog that help to maintain some sense of community and connectedness, but I wonder if all of these methods combined even come close to duplicating the kind of friendships that only develop when one is "around" day after day after day. And as this quality of friendship may very well be an essential requirement for long term happiness, I find myself wondering exactly how much longer my desire to wander will sufficiently outweigh the need for this sort of regular connection.
I'll freely admit that I don't see myself living this way forever, but then, I doubt if I ever saw myself living in a one bedroom apartment in Burbank forever either, so I guess that's not too meaningful. Still, as we wend our way through any of life's chapters, it's only natural to ponder from time to time how or when the current one will end.
As I suggested at the beginning of this discourse, the nearness of good friends really should conjure up thoughts of, at the very least, hanging around for a long while, if not settling down for good, and as a result, maybe this isn't the most objective time to weigh their validity. That is, perhaps such thoughts are far more telling if and when they arise and persist during times of relative solitude.
For now, I'll just tuck these reflections away for further introspection, revisiting the subject further on down the road with the sort of renewed perspective that carefree travel has a way of providing. While savoring the company of good friends as long as I'm here, I shall continue with plans to resume my southern migration in a matter of days, curious to find out if the allure and promise of the open road will once again, as before, push the perceived need for roots far enough into the background.
What comes immediately to mind is, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder", since it is indeed hard to miss someone unless you are willing to be away for at least a short while.
ReplyDeleteJust my 2 cents.
While boondocking in AZ, I met a guy who would camp the winter there (outside Wickenburg) half the year, and then spend the warmer months in CO. He had friends and family at both his "homesites".
ReplyDeleteI've often thought that is the right direction - maybe with about 4-6 "homesites" to balance the stability that society offers with the nomadic urge.
Unfortunately, both you and I have our families in the East while all the great boondocking is in the West.
See you on the road soon (I'm hitting the road again in about two weeks).
I agree with Wayne that you can can have the best of both worlds. With your present lifestyle, you can choose your destination.
ReplyDeleteYou are fortunate to have the ability to generate income wherever you live and with simple living you can build savings.
Another positive is that when you want to visit your family, you have all your possessions with you and you don't have to buy what you left at home. Having your own "apartment on wheels" is a bonus!
It is good that you have family and friends that you want to be near.
God speed in your travels.
Ani
To everything, there is a season...
ReplyDeleteI feel for you Glenn, but the call of the open road is still in my blood, and I sense its in yours too....reading this post between the lines indicates you are not quite thru travelling, meeting all sorts of interesting people, exploring our beautiful country, busking in places like Silver City and Sante Fe.....I suspect if you did park in a permanent location, within 90 days max you would be out again---it would not take me even that long! You're young enough yet to do both if you so choose, and whatever your decision----Happy Trails! John
ReplyDeleteAlso don't forget: "The grass is always greener on the other side"
ReplyDeleteNo doubt you'll figure it out in due time what fits best for you. No hurry.
Was so glad to see you write about this! I think it's what my partner and I discuss the most when planning our future traveling. We love our circle of friends and that will be the hardest thing about traveling full time and what will most likely bring us back home. But what keeps us wanting to go is knowing we can come back whenever we want to. If we miss home, we can be back home in a matter of days. What you have is freedom to make home wherever you want to make home. Being able to take care of your Mom, spend months with your brother and then pop over to see your Dad ... that makes it all worthwhile. We plan on doing the same with friends. Although we have a wonderful circle here, we also have close friends spread across the country and we look forward to spending quality time with them that we never could have in our conventional lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteThanks for bring this up because I think (as you said), it's one of the few downsides we can come up with traveling full time.
Shelley
I'm moving to Europe next year, after living in Oklahoma for 38 years.
ReplyDeleteIt won't be practical or affordable for me to visit the States too often, maybe only every 2-3 years, so I give a lot of thought to making the best of my remaining time, and to making new friends in Europe; but you have to make new friends as you age anyhow, to compensate for those who die or fall by the wayside, or whatever.
And while I hope to lay down roots as strong and deep as those I have here, I realize in Europe I'll be more of a "cork on the ocean" by comparison.
Everything's a trade-off in life.
What the heck, enjoy the wanderlust while it lasts... which is about 5 years. There's a hiccup at three, and a serious crisis at 5. That seems to be the way it goes, on average.
ReplyDeleteBarring some external intervention.
Those who continue beyond that are exceptional, and usually there's an element of necessity involved. Some people are just really complete at burning their bridges... and the house, the neighborhood, and most of the surrounding woods. They tend to stay gone.
The word that stuck with me was "savor." When you're in a space every day, around the same people, it begins to lose it's luster. I can't tell you how many friends I have right in town that I rarely see or talk too, simply because the "stuff of life" gets in the way.
ReplyDeleteOf course I'm not as social as you so perhaps it's not a good comparison :)
Here's a quote from my cousin, which may have some relevance:
"When you live at home you are what you are but leave and come back you become a star."
One day at a time.
ReplyDeleteWhatever you decide to do is for you... not for us, your family, your friends or anyone else... just you. Only you can decide what's right for you.
Follow your heart Glenn, we'll all be here for you no matter what.......
ReplyDeleteWhen we joined Escapees (http://www.escapees.com/) we found a group of like minded travelers. Getting together with them at various places around the country helped develop a new sense of community. Many of us blog and participate in an online discussion forum (http://www.rvnetwork.com/) so we "talk" nearly every day. Add that to visiting relatives around the country and I manage to stay feeling connected wherever I am.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. Similar vibes to my returning to the UK. Even the best parties grow a little stale, and that applies to solipsist adventure too. Ultimately things need to be shared to be complete fun...and not just by blog. Totally relate to 'grounding day conversations' ...."Gee! You from England? ...." It was time to come home.... but I often wonder if that was wise. I missed so much of England but now I miss so much of the US,friends there and the sense of doing something different to the mass.... and I am still pretty solitary! You'll miss the chinook days for sure... but all things are a trade off. Like my time in the US ...and perhaps your blog... sometimes when I described how great it was.... I think it got a bit "cool hand luke"... least convincing perhaps... to the teller! Sometimes its nice just to head into a bar, see friendly familiar and know the braid is already pouring your regular!
ReplyDeleteUltimately a great adventure.... and unlike most .... cost you nothing! I recall when we first discussed the idea... it was exactly that a win-win experiment for a year or two.
ReplyDeleteI think the WINs have a great idea where they Caravan together but seperately...the Kodger can connect you with that group if you want more info..they do MANY activities as a group and some Couple up for a while etc...sounds like the perfect set up...
ReplyDeleteHi Glenn, funny this was one of the reasons I WAS thinking of taking off, to find community. Maybe it's where I live, but other than the dog park, there are not many places I go where I see familiar faces over and over again. Most folks I call friends are so busy with their life, kids, etc, there isn't time for hanging out. Hence, my thinking was I would just come and park for a spell! just like you did with your brother. I think the thing I felt missing in my world (I am self employed also, work from home) was just that casual getting to know people. Hence the dog park has been good for that for me. So single guy or woman, no kids, it's a rough row to hoe in a bonded nuclear family world. And I think a lot of people feel that loss of connection and community even if they have "roots." I think your choice is a good one, you can hang out and just "be" with folks for as long as you want, keep in touch by all these groovy electronics, and leave when it gets time to leave! The Buddhist in me says nothing is permanent, although we like to pretend it is. You are practicing this every time you retract your electric stairs.
ReplyDeleteLinda and Sondra touched upon RV groups and/or single groups of WINs & SKPs. WINs-Wandering Individuals Network (e.g. Randy Vining); LOWs-Loners on Wheels (the swinging singles of clubhouse/Hdq-Deming,NM); SKPs-BOF(birds of a feather/like minded people)such as SKP-BOF Boondockers(Trish Masters/Ed.)and similar groups
ReplyDeleteForty+ SKP-BOF Boondocker RV-rigs bought NM-out of state park passes in 2008-2009 and loosely followed each other for the 12-13 mos duration of "NM St. Pk pass". Some went to weddings, g-kid's Univ graduation, visit g-kids, other plans and some returned to group (flexible sched for NM-Pk visits/limit 3 wks in/out) of 30+ pks. We started winter-early spring at City of Rocks & Pancho Villa St Pk (south-NM)then went to higher elev, lakes and/or Northern NM for summer-- culminating back in S-NM at expiration of pass.
Most of these type groups have something like a gathering in ID in June; WA and MN in July; CA, OR, SD in Aug; and similar in Quartzsite, AZ, S-TX, FL,
etc in winter. They post dates/places and meet informally....seemingly constantly. Google.
Have semi-regular companions, lots of dancing, touristy locales, flexibility and diversity of weather/locations. CC
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteYou have hit on the very thing that matters most as we age.
My situation of geographic independence is similar to yours, albeit a bit different. But when our parents die and, in my case, my only child also, being near extended family and trusted friends makes an enormous difference to one's emotional happiness. It also helps to have another to lean on for medical emergencies requiring surgery (I found it was darn near impossible here for a single person to check themself in and be released, unaccompanied, from the hospital for a surgical procedure! It was a dilemma.)
Good luck on your southern travels. The weather here (in Orlando, FL) is sunny and perfect. The coast, beach-side, is even better.
As for the issue you raised today, you'll find the answer that's best for you. Eventually. Until then, keep posting. Your interesting and eclectic mix of topics are always interesting.
Safe Travels,
Sandi
I wouldn't over-analyze it too much. You'll know when it's the right time. Still hoping to boondock with you again in AZ.
ReplyDeleteI've been on the road for 10 years and have no thoughts about stopping, I found that I missed some mates a bit but to be honest most had moved to different towns anyway so I now see them more that I would have if I stayed at "home".
ReplyDeleteSame with family.
I have to say though that I've never been the family type, because I was on the road I did get to see relatives I hadn't seen for 30 years, truth is I probably won't see them for another 30 if at all. So that's easy for me, no strong ties there.
I also travel with my wife who has a similar disinterest in family ties, we've both lived in 10s of towns over the years and don't have any deep roots anywhere. So the bottom line is we have each other and don't much need anyone else.
We are currently heading back to our land where we plan to drop anchor for a while, but that's acreage in the bush so as far as social interaction goes it's no different than being on the road, probably worse.
We're all different, some more some less compatible with the nomadic lifestyle, we all find our own "level".
Rob
I've just started looking into this with no luck yet. I want to buy a tiny plot of land with nothing more than a car port roof with solar on top (a trend especially with electric vehicles), or regular old electric grid power, water and sewer hook ups. Here's a business opportunity that could blow up.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Upoq5XlWE
http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/13/germans-encouraged-to-roof-carports-with-solar-panels/
So far I've found just confused or uninterested Real Estate agents plus zoning designed for over-consumption. So the easiest path seems to buy something from someone you know and try to go under the radar with the zoning.
Building "officially" costs a fortune and most of it is for crap that you don't really need. For example, a grey water absorption trench can cost $1000s because it has to comply with various health regulations, yet we lived on our land for 8 months with a hose laid out on the ground.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of that period there was just a small area of green grass to show for it. Where's the health issues?
I appreciate that with the huge quantities of water most people use it might be a different story, but we live on 10 litres a day (for 2 of us) so there are no issues.
Unfortunately the bureaucracy doesn't allow for you to be different.
Over in Aus you cannot live on land without a "Class 1" dwelling, IE a house of some sort. As I said we did for 8 months and now we plan to for a year or so. If you have bush acreage there's no real reason for the authorities to know about it, it really boils down to your neighbors. If they dob you in then you will get pinged.
That said, if you stay mobile you can leave and come back :)
As for power/sewage/water hookups, personally I don't see the need for any of them but it depends on what you do with your time I guess.
As for needing to buy from a friend, maybe it's different over in the US but buying the land is not the issue, we just got ours through a RE agent. It's the living on it that's the problem.
You said "a tiny plot" though, that implies being in town with close neighbors. That would be a whole different kettle of fish. Get 10-50 acres out of town, it won't cost any more (probably less) and you have a lot more freedom.
Rob
As usual, lots of wisdom not only in your post but also in the many comments. As I sit and chat with my daughter, and granddaughter is sleeping in the guest bedroom, I realize how much I'll miss them when they head back home to South Carolina.
ReplyDeleteI stop to think about our best friends from Air Force days whom we haven't seen in 25 years, and our best friends from our years in Colorado whom we haven't seen in 13 years.
I begin to appreciate your lifestyle and your freedom to go wherever your family and friends are, no matter where they choose to call home. I don't know that my wife and I will ever become fulltimers but I can see us becoming parttime and extended stay RVers just so that we can rebuild those relationships.
As usual, your thoughts have triggered some deep ones of my own; hence the moniker to which I've developed quite an attachment...
@PonderingPops
ReplyDeleteYou can have the best of both worlds, keep your base but go away for 1 (or 2) times a year for 6 (or 3) months. Colorado in the summer and SC in the winter maybe. That way you can spend time with these two obviously important groups of people plus see the country as well.
That's similar to what we do, we go away twice a year, each time for 6 months :)
Rob
If you ever choose to semi settle down and would like a somewhat weird and beautiful place, check out the Yucca Valley Joshua Tree area. Relatively inexpensive by CA standards, very beautiful during fall/winter/spring, homestead cabins with 5 acres, little restriction on RV parking, making sounds, etc. Some visually stunning locations if you're willing to spend a lot of time looking. A couple hours out of LA, accommodate friends overnight or fairly quick trip into town. You may find it too remote, isolated, or just not big city enough.
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
ReplyDeleteWhen I was young, there were no qualms about trekking off to who knows where to live. Now, I feel more inclined to have my home base near my Dad. Home base being some acres with a metal building and a basic drive-away abode for flexibility. Anyway, part of that drawing in closer to family is probably just something that comes with age. Any maybe a part of it is because the world can seem so crazy, and it just seems better to be in a position to clan up if necessary. Or maybe the world seems crazy because at my age, there has been time for a lot of changes from my early years to now.
So for you, you obviously have no trouble following your own path, and your heart will tell you what you need. And, if you get a little settled, then wake up one morning and feel not so settled, you'll just jump behind the wheel, give her a little gas, and onward.
My selfish hope is that you let us come along to savor bits of your journey, whether you choose some travel freedom, or some stay put freedom.
the best to you,
brenda from arkansas
The lack of the kind of deep social intimacy that often typifies the mobile lifestyle is, after all, difficult to ignore, and while I have made great strides towards dealing with it, I still can't deny that it is one of the few (possibly the only) lingering rubs to living the way I do.
ReplyDeleteGlenn you're getting too wordy and difficult to read. >;-( That's a run on sentence like I have never seen. I love ya man but it seems like you're trying too hard lately.
To Rob, thanks for that encouragement, I've been toying with the idea of long term stays combined with wandering in between. Sounds like a very doable thing.
ReplyDeleteDon -- I'm laughing at the irony of having my grammar [improperly] corrected by someone with a digit in his first name. Sorry to break it to you, but that is not a run-on sentence. I appreciate your input, but please understand that I'm not writing this stuff to keep you or anyone entertained. I just tell the story as it occurs to me. Warts, philosophical musings, and all.
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of in awe of long complex sentences. It's organical, conversational, like a Pink Floyd album side instead of my older sister's stack of Beatles 45's. It expresses how the mind operates in a stream of consciousness. But I can't seem to bring myself to write that way. I seem to view things in grids and patterns.
ReplyDeleteTwo thoughts seemed to jump out at me simultaneously when I read your post about Roots:
ReplyDeleteThe first was that it surely helps define who is adding value to your life when you have a hankering to spend some more time with them, even at the cost of "settling down for a bit". By the very act of being pulled in their direction, you have identified those that put a smile into your heart, and that's a good thing.
The second was that level of deep social intimacy that you refer to, and how no amount of phone calling or blogging or email can substitute for looking into someone's eyes and sharing a smile, or being able to reach out and give someone a hug, or share an inside joke. It is a different kind of connection, and one that is of incomparable value.
It does seem as if you've set yourself up for the ability to live in both worlds, and I would imagine that if you feel the need to linger long enough to allow some roots to grab hold, that you will similarly be willing to break free again if the circumstances were to change, or if the call of the open road beckons too strongly.
It's good to know that even the mavericks and explorers of the world have a craving now and again for deeper roots, and that they don't discard the notion based on principle alone. It seems like a pretty healthy outlook to allow for the possibility, even while keeping your options wide open. I continue to enjoy peeking over the fence at your perspective, so thanks again for sharing via your blog adventures.
Thanks Rob for the insight on down-under dirt. What does this mean? "If they dob you in then you will get pinged."
ReplyDeleteIf I turned that up-over and shake out the kangaroo I get, If we bake them pumpkin pie, they won't chainsaw our mailbox.
This area's bush is more of narrow woody thorny thicket that divides the cows from the Walmart. I am interested in splitting my time close to friends, family while keeping a close eye on meandering creeks so I know remember how it's done. I live in a mixed up Christina's World. Intricate and intense juxtaposition of tight valleys, authentic crumbling, rusted and bleached history. Overbuilt suburbia butt against Dutch Wonderland theme parks, shopping malls, horse-n-buggies, for whatever reason, in line at the gas station with rusting internally combusting steel mills. Next door, the Jones are re-gentrifying stone mills to keep up with the old monied DuPonts by way of high tech pharmaceuticals, chemistry and Vanguard banking. We all share a slightly overbuilt winter, spring, summer and fall so evenly tangled and living it feels like a vine meandering, growing through a rusted rainbow of earth tones on some abandoned shopping cart.
DON is usually taken. So, I just go with D0N.
ReplyDeleteIt may not have been a run-on by definition but I made a sandwich, ate it and took a short nap in the middle of reading that 54 word sentence.
>;-)
Don -- Ah yes, the old make-a-sandich-eat-it-and-take-a-nap variety of run-on sentence. Hey, look on the bright side, at least you're nourished and well rested now. All thanks to me and my rambling. You're welcome.
ReplyDeleteGlenn
ReplyDeleteHaving lived on the road, returned "home", gone and come back several times, I can attest that there are times when you just want what you have and other times the exact opposite of that.
Life on the road, especially if you are boondocking, can be lonely, especially since you don't have a like minded mate like graynomad to have that long in depth conversation with. Yet so can being at "home."
I have had great conversations with store clerks and wait staff, other campers,a restaurant owner chef before the dinner crowd came in, even an artist restoring murals her mother painted in the 30s. The nice thing about being on the road is that you are who you are in that moment in time, no baggage or expectations of anything other than who you are.
The secret is to enjoy where you are and who you are with right now, where and who that may be.
It is natural to regret leaving family after an extended visit but just as you moved from home to LA, your desire to be your own person, grounded or nomad or some of each, will win out. Just follow your heart and you will never go wrong. You can always go home again.
As a fellow musician, I've often wondered about how you can feel connected while living in your circumstances, i.e., "on the road" - since, while Emily DOES provide companionship, it's not quite the same as HUMAN company, and I seriously doubt she's anywhere near your equal as a musical collaborator! (musicians tend to prefer "doing the hang" with other musicians!?) I consider my own situation - living 9 hours' drive from L.A. - and I see that, while I'm nowhere near as mobile as you are, you're probably living a more-connected-with-kindred-souls lifestyle than I am... I'm 30 miles from town and I haven't gotten in my car since last Wednesday!! It seems to me that you're on a terrific trajectory for figuring out your next move - towards people or further away - and you're finding a true balance between solitude and being among community/family. In Wayne's World Speak, "Party On, Glenn!" XOXO - M
ReplyDeleteYou aren't here to entertain us??!?
ReplyDeleteI fear if your goal is to "not to entertain us", then you have failed... miserably.
I totally get what you are saying here. I find my max "out and wandering time" is about 3 months. After that I truly want to come home and get connected again.
After about 2 months home with family and friends, I get the urge to wander again. So I put the cats in the rig, and we go.
Life is good when you are in charge of your own destiny and happiness!